Hi, KPW,
First of all, thanks for at least posting something. I’ve gotten lazy and somewhat discouraged, myself and have posted very little of late.
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But as Virginia Spatz has already written, when posting a link on something you think is significant, it would be helpful if you wrote a sentence or two explaining what it is that’s important (and whether you agree or disagree in part or completely with whatever is at the other end of the link))
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As we all know there is simply so much information out there that nobody can keep up with even a tiny part of the important stuff, so digesting it at least and passing on the essence can be a real service.
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Following some other links posted by I-forget-whom, I read up on the article you linked to, and found that there are in fact a lot of distortions in the article.
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Yes, it is a scandal that lots of kids are taking on huge loans to take courses that are called ‘remedial’ and which earn no credit hours towards their graduation is a real scandal, but those ‘remedial’ courses of today were once upon a time courses that only a tiny, tiny fraction of students would even have taken before graduating high school back in my parents’ day. They were considered college-level work 80 years ago!
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(My dad, who earned degrees in history at Bowdoin and Columbia in the late 1930s and the early 1940s (he also worked summers in a defense plant in WW2 until he got polio — but that’s another story) once told me that “college algebra” was generally taken by bright undergrads. I have an old ‘college algebra’ textbook on my shelf.)
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(I have books that contain letters written by farmers who were removed from what’s now Shenandoah National Park in Virginia, complaining about their treatment and asking for help. Many of those mountain folks were illiterate, so the letters we do have are the very best writers, and the grammar, punctuation , spelling and overall composition in many of the letters would embarrass most 6th graders today. There are no letters from any of the displaced black residents, but given that many of the adults had grown up as slaves and were only freed as a result of the defeat of the Confederacy and teaching slaves to read was illegal, and given that as far as I can tell there was not a single pre-National Park school for black kids in side the park boundaries, I guess that’s not to surprising)
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But guess what: nowadays, we routinely teach “college algebra” to seventh and eighth graders. Even here in DC’s public and charter schools.
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A very large fraction of the millions of kids who begin their freshman year at a 4-year university or college have already taken CALCULUS and got passing grades in both their HS but ALSO on the Advanced Placement Calculus exam – of which there are now two types: the very difficult one (Calculus AB) and then the f*^£-ing unbelievably difficult one (Calculus BC). On my blog I have stats and graphs that show that the growth in AP test completion in the US is, in fact, a striking example of exponential growth . See, for example,
here: When I took my single AP test back in 1967, I was one of only 42,000 students who did so. But in 2011, there were nearly TWO MILLION students taking AP exams! (Yes, that is roughly a FIFTY-FOLD increase!)
Oh yeah – ‘exponential growth’ is a topic we teach to just about every HS student in America nowadays, and not just for compound interest problems involving bank accounts!
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Sure, the students don’t all learn all of it. Some kids at some schools instead run and chase and curse each other out in the halls when they are supposed to be in class, and if they do finally enter a classroom, some of them pay no attention whatsoever, and carry on loud conversations as if the teacher weren’t giving a lesson. It’s my impression that gradually any power or authority to maintain order and discipline has been taken away from teachers at many, many schools in DC – I don’t know about elsewhere. And while the total number of AP tests being passed in DC is on the rise, a lot of data is being kept secret, Erich Martel has discovered that at some high schools in DC, almost every person who sits for any AP exam earns the very lowest possible score – a “1”.
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Some schools of course do have consequences for misbehavior, class cutting and doing no work that really mean something, up to and including removing the child from the class or school either temporarily or permanently. Statistics show that certain schools (public and charter both, but largely charters) are permitted to use this remedy a LOT. Other schools are basically forbidden to do anything of the sort: there are no consequences for any misbehavior or lack of study. In some schools, no child is actually failed and held back, or required to transfer out, or anything else, no matter how many classes they cut or are tardy to. It matters not at all that they did absolutely no classwork or homework, passed no tests or quizzes, did not a single required project, and wrote not a single paper, in any class. Teachers are forbidden to fail students, and if they do, the grades get changed. Only at the 9th grade in DCPS are students actually required to pass their courses.
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Some schools don’t allow this sort of foolishness at all. But having enormous discrepancies in suspension and expulsion rates looks bad. My understanding from some KIPP staff is that after those schools were put in the media hot seat briefly for having high suspension totals, they reduced the number of suspensions, which resulted in significant numbers of kids who cut classes and walked the halls, much like elsewhere. There has got to be some sort of balance between being completely out-of-control and being something like a prison where the inmates are not allowed to speak to each other and must have every single bodily motion within prescribed limits, all day long.
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When reading that NYT article, please keep in mind why Benjamin Banneker back in the late 1700s was considered to be such a mathematical genius. Not just because he was one of the few African-Americans who could read and write, but because, he could also {gasp} solve problems involving proportions, linear equations, trigonometry and logarithms!!! DOUBLE GASP!
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That sort of “extraordinary” mathematical prowess was extremely rare back in those days – among even among whites (it being a crime to teach slaves to read or write at all.)
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Nowadays, we teach proportions to every child in elementary school, not just the prodigies like BB. Linear equations are taught to every middle schooler in America. Every single recent DCPS graduate must have at least been taught about trig and logarithms.
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Whether they actually learned those topics is a different story! Obviously, some do learn that stuff, and some don’t, and there has been lots of heated argument about the best ways of teaching those topics, but those extremely advanced topics of 1792 are taught to everybody today. At least in theory.
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So yeah, we do have some serious problems in our schools.
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On the one hand, we have widespread and amazing student accomplishments that put the past to shame, even here in DC’s public and charter schools.
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On the other hand, as today’s WaPo showed, we have
much more segregation of the poor and brown in their own special schools than even 15 years ago.
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Partly as a result, there is also a really significant problem with kids who are completely and utterly turned off and feel like they can do anything they like (short of actual bloodshed) and not only get away with it, but be promoted to the next grade (unless they are a 9th grader, which many do repeat and drop out from). I think it’s worse today than it was before I retired, and I think I taught some in all 8 wards – that includes some summer school classes.
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And there is another problem: even if you do graduate from a fancy college, that bachelor’s degree just might qualify you to be a barista, a bartender, or a waiter. When I run across my really brilliant former DCPS math whiz students, only rarely do I find that they ended up going into STEM fields and staying there. I also know a bunch of science PhDs, brilliant folks, who have gotten out of science for various reasons — one is that they have to spend half their time jockeying for the right to remain employed by writing proposal after proposal, and not doing any science at all. This problem is not unique to the USA: Central America, Africa, the Middle East all put out millions of folks with all sorts of certificates and advanced degrees who can’t find work. Some come here or to Europe and end up working as drivers, parking lot attendants, and so on, a similar waste of talent, brainpower, and education.
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So again, don’t trust the source of that ‘study’, and almost everything on education from the WaPo and NYT editorial board has been amazingly wrong-headed.
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I submit that the bar for “remedial college courses” has been raised a LOT. Yes, we have some real problems, but this article completely ignores the successes. I suspect that the purpose of this article was to bash public schools and teachers, when they have actually been extremely successful in raising overall educational accomplishments. But who are under the most vicious attack from a weird coalition of billionaires and their acolytes who have not accomplished any of the miracles that they have promised.
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Guy
I don’t trust, I verify. I share information for people to know what is going on and what is happening so that they can act or respond accordingly. Information is power. Those in the know and wise folks like you will explain what is really going on in your opinion or based evidence. From what I can see though, there are lots of middle class families that need a little remedial help and not all are scholars. It’s not just the poor.
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From: Guy Brandenburg gfbrandenburg@yahoo.com [concerned4DCPS]
First of all, don’t trust any study from “Education Reform Now”.
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